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I use this site since 2013 as my first StackExchange site. I use Drupal since 2010 as a webmaster although I do some fundamental to basic Bash and JavaScript programming though AOTM I don't know enough PHP to program in it (only some theming).

I think Drupal is the best CMS out there and I do try to follow yearly Drupal conferences in the country I live in.

Generally every conference I go to or listen to and almost any Drupal discourse nowdays (in social media, blogs and so forth as well) seems to me to deal very much with Drupal DevOPs.

I think that as Drupal DevOPs becomes such useful and save so much time, and the Drupal discourse is so immensely effected by it (as I feel) we should change attitude here and deal with it as well.

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    Can you provide some examples of questions which you want to see allowed here? As we discussed the other day, only questions that require some specific knowledge of Drupal are ever going to be on topic here (the example given was that you won’t learn how to use Ansible or Docker here, for obvious reasons), but without knowing what policy/attitude you want to change in particular, it’s hard to imagine this going anywhere – Clive Nov 12 '18 at 8:20
  • It's like with PHP: Drupal is written in PHP, but plain PHP questions are off-topic for us. For that, there is already Stack Overflow, and we don't want to be a clone of Stack Overflow. – kiamlaluno Nov 12 '18 at 9:22
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    Seems I'm more radical than you two in this matter --- indeed ! I'm all in for questions about how to work with Ansible, Docker and Vargant that contains data to setup, configure or contain Drupal apps and I'm also all in for PHP questions dealing with developing modules written in PHP strictly adhering to the Drupal coding standards. – JohnDoea Nov 12 '18 at 16:23
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    Here you could have an up-2-date taste of the sorts of questions I mean to and I why I think it's important (please read the comments as well):unix.stackexchange.com/questions/480616/… – JohnDoea Nov 12 '18 at 16:54
  • Questions about Drupal coding standards aren't plain PHP questions. – kiamlaluno Nov 12 '18 at 20:04
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    No problem, I brought this up only because Clive mentioned the issue of "PHP questions". Of course the main issue is DevOPs which I think we should allow now than ever. – JohnDoea Nov 12 '18 at 20:22
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The question that led to this, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/480616/creating-a-new-composerized-latest-drupal-project-with-local-drush-and-all-desir, was moved to the Unix site. It has been answered, with a lot of information that is tangential to Drupal, and specific to general server administration.

On one of the answers, you yourself linked to a question on the Dev-ops Stack Exchange site, declaring it to be useful background information to understand the answer.

And that's exactly the point - a place for everything, and everything in its place. We don't need to answer the general Dev-Ops questions here, because there are existing websites, indeed within this very network, which cater perfectly to those.

So going off the only example given in the comments, and the discussion you and I have had about this over the last few days, I'm going to go out on a limb and say: no, we don't need to relax the rules about Dev-Ops questions here. We already accept Drupal-specific Dev-Ops questions that otherwise fit into the guidelines, so there's nothing really to change anyway.

If you have a question about some Drupal-specific configuration of one of these tools, by all means ask it here. But if you have a general question, like your previous one about setting up an entire *nix development environment in one go, please don't ask that here. For a start it's actually much too broad for our format, but the main point being that not all of it relates to Drupal, so it's simply not a good question for a Drupal-specific Q+A site.

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    If you have a question about some Drupal-specific configuration of one of these tools, by all means ask it here - an example will be good (I'm totally serious); is there a list of examples?... – JohnDoea Nov 14 '18 at 4:05
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    your previous one about setting up an entire *nix development environment in one go - I don't recall asking such a broad question. I asked how to raise up a Drupal 8 app with all basic data automatically on a *nix environment... Not sure what you mean... – JohnDoea Nov 14 '18 at 4:06
  • Sure, taking your originals questions as examples: Create an Apache Virtual Host for the Drupal project based on the domain and directory. isn't related to Drupal, but something like are there any special apache vhost settings required to host drupal in a subfolder of the web root would be. Restart the server. is entirely a server admin task, so off topic. I don't know of an equivalent. Create a proper settings.php with the relevant db details; db name, db user name, db password and locality is a bit iff-y, whether you want to do a string replacement on the file or perhaps maintain... – Clive Nov 14 '18 at 19:45
  • ...a patch would be up to you. Something like Are there any special considerations when creating a settings.php file manually as part of an automated build process, or is it safe to just copy default.settings.php to settings.php and automatically insert database connection details would be a more Drupal-centric way of approaching that one. You should remember that while it might seem that we're quite militant about this, closing questions and keeping the site scoped aren't aggressive acts, and never aimed at you personally. No one minds if you ask questions that you didn't know were off.. – Clive Nov 14 '18 at 19:49
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    ...topic, there's no animosity towards you from anyone for doing so. Same thing for raising this meta question - the voting just indicates disagreement with the idea, nothing about you specifically. Just wanted to make sure that was said, as it's hard to get tone of voice across on the web and I'm sure this could all be taken as a bit rude. I should also point out that none of this is an exact science; sometimes people with the same information about what is/isn't on topic will disagree over the relevancy of posts, we're all human and there's always an element of subjectivity to it. – Clive Nov 14 '18 at 19:55
  • Thank you for the humane and honorable comments dear Clive. Indeed comforting. I left with only one doubt about what you said on scope: I hope you will add some examples (even fictional-at-the-moment) to headings of questions that are legitimate Drupal-DevOPs for this site. – JohnDoea Nov 14 '18 at 20:29

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